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#612492 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by Cshel86 on 21 October 2014 - 01:13 PM

3 years ago nonito was a 118 pound fighter, not a featehrweight. nonito had no business moving up to 126, it was too big for him, and i still think he could be abner mares and leo santa cruz. he should mvoe back down to 122.  dont forget that nonito and other fighters have dropped rigondeaux and hit him with big shots, its not like nonito got totally outclassed, he lost a decision because he tried to go for a 1 punch ko and it didnt ever come. i still think he is a great fighter, he just has finally hit the weigh ceiling. his power is no mroe effective beyond 122. he hit walters with hard shots but it didnt hurt him enough to finish him. at 126 your gonna be fighting guys who are big punchers ho are on the verge of being 130 pounders like orlando salido and mikey garcia. those types of fighters are jsut to big for nonito to fight, and thats what e saw with walters. nonito just couldnt take the power. i give him props for having the balls to fight this guy instead of waiting for a fight against lomachenko.

 

many great fighters have tried to move up in weight and got blasted, its is a possibility whenever a guy decides to move up. tommy hearns went up to middleweight and got knoced out twice viciously. i think its s sign to go back down. you gota remember that the 122 lb division wasnt that stacked, so moving up to the highly competetive 126 division and then fighting one of the hard hitters, thats a lot to be able to overcome. id like to see rigondeaux move up to 126. look what happened to gamboa. i give them props for having the balls to do it, it doesnt mean their abilities are questionable. every fighter is not floyd mayweather or manny pacquiao.

Donaire was big enough for these weight classes, til he got in with a bigger guy....that's the way the cookie crumbles. Everybody that he's fought over the years, have been smaller than him. That Mathebula dude and V-12 were tall, but weight wise, Donaire was the bigger guy. 

 

We can't say that Donaire can't compete at FW, because he ran into a bigger FW. In every division, you're gonna be bigger than some guys and some guys are gonna be bigger than you. We can't say that he had no business being in there with Walters because of the size (weight), but he fought a smaller Rigo a weight class lower, and nobody had a problem with it. 

 

Thing is, there is a limit, and Donaire found it....as you mentioned. I still think he could beat guys like Mares and maybe....just maybe Gamboa...hell, maybe even Garcia...maybe. At the end of the day, it's about skill....that beats size (most days out of the week). 

 

I say that he could beat those guys, because you have to think about it this way....have those guys been in with guys with Donaire's speed who lands at weird angles? Not really. We've seen Mares get buried by a slow counterpunch, and we've seen Garcia down a slow ugly punch at the hands of that skeletor lookin' motherf*cker a couple of fights ago. Gamboa's chin can be tapped, and we've seen him go down because he's careless as hell. 

 

Now, I'm not saying that Donaire has THAT much pop at FW, but consider the following....he DID hurt Walters a few times last weekend....it wasn't a complete blowout like most are trying to make it into. Gotta love boxing fans....a guy that they can't stand, gets beat, and suddenly, their opponent who pulled off the W, gets all of these embellished accolades. 

 

Again, Donaire DID hurt Walters a few times, but he neglected the body...classic Donaire....always looking for that ONE big shot to change the fight or end it...meanwhile, the other guys is out hustling him. Honestly, he and Walters fought kinda stupid in a few patches of that fight...Donaire just paid for his mistakes. 

 

You make great points about the bigger guys in each division, so true. At the end of the day, skills can trump that, if the big guy isn't careful. A perfectly timed punch with juuuust enough pressure, can hurt anybody or end the fight....so a TKO is comprised of more than just power and size. Donaire can land at crazy angles at times, which can serve as trouble for guys like Mares, Gamboa, and Garcia. 


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#612550 Golden Boy December 13th Tripleheader!

Posted by klonopinz on Yesterday, 10:18 AM

this is the charlo that beat rosado. jermell. jermall is the one who wants to fight k9, who rpeviously was set to fight molina before he got detained. i believe adrade's speed will shock charlo. i think that right hook is is dangerous weapon because he is a converted right hander. his jab will be more potent and so will his hook, plus he has experience beating martirosyan, who is better and more experienced than charlo. lara couldnt even decision vanes. andrade edged him out and showed he can win rounds. i think charlo is in for a rude aakening. this is his first b level fighter. gabriel was c at best. and none of his opponents had ability of andrade.


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#612546 I think I figured out Floyd's May surprise?

Posted by mrchitown on 22 October 2014 - 06:50 PM

IMO ppvs the last few yrs have been inflated. In many cases (this included)  showtime  and HBO do not give official #s anymore.  The #s come through leaks or preliminary estimates.   And as I stated this fight really didnt have the hype behind it.  925 always seemed high


Right that's your opinion but it isn't a fact. Unless I see a credible individual who puts the numbers lower then what's been stated then it's going to stay what it is, just a rumor.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but facts is facts. The same leaks you spoke of is applied to the rumor you speak of. That 772k came through an unreliable source and from a leak.
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#612545 I think I figured out Floyd's May surprise?

Posted by mgrover on 22 October 2014 - 06:35 PM

IMO ppvs the last few yrs have been inflated. In many cases (this included)  showtime  and HBO do not give official #s anymore.  The #s come through leaks or preliminary estimates.   And as I stated this fight really didnt have the hype behind it.  925 always seemed high

 

i think thats more because promoters dont want them to, while networks dont seem to care, unless it hurts there own investment. Like when they swore Mayweather Guerrero did 1 million views. Showtime didnt wanna look like they handed one the more lucrative contract in all of boxing to have them make no profit lol


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#612542 Quick Thoughts

Posted by mgrover on 22 October 2014 - 04:57 PM

what annoyed me was the little brother talked himself into it and then precedes to get his ass whooped haha

 

Rewatching the whole thing, what Mayweather said, and I quote "You ready to quit, let us know". He gave the kid his chance out, sure it may of been taunting him, but in no way was it imprisonment 


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#612524 Mayweather vs Steven A Smith

Posted by BrutUalBK on 22 October 2014 - 07:00 AM

Rocky's record is more significant than any other record because it is held by a man who happens to be of Caucasian persuasion, it has nothing to do with the significance of being a HW (although that matters), Lopez's record is considered a lesser significant one in this sport because the Draw he has on it taints his unblemished record and leaves that air of doubt that Marciano does not have.

 

It is ok for Smith to talk about Floyd but what isn't ok is when he starts talking about the Promotional aspect of the negotiations between the two without stating the facts and the facts are that Floyd and Manny had contracts in front of them and Pacquiao did not sign when the fight mattered most.

 

If Smith is going to hurl accusations, the least he could do is make sure that his journalistic integrity is intact and that his facts are straight.  The fight between the two of them should've already happened back in 2010 when they both looked unbeatable but the facts are that Manny and Arum DUCKED the fight.


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#612523 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by Cshel86 on 21 October 2014 - 08:38 PM

good post dolimite

Am I the only one who's using the "like" button around here???


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#612501 Golden Boy December 13th Tripleheader!

Posted by Cshel86 on 21 October 2014 - 02:37 PM

khan-alexander

been waiting on this one for awhile. i was excited to finally get this one i know alot of people give khan a bad rap for all the wrong reasons but the boy can fight! never boring! and will lay it on the line when things gets gritty plus always calling for the best competition. the fighter we always ask for right? enter Alexander and the styles should make for some great highlights by the time the fights over.

 

Max Kellerman, is that you???

 

:lol:


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#612498 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by AZWildCat on 21 October 2014 - 02:04 PM

good post dolimite


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#612494 Quick Thoughts

Posted by mrchitown on 21 October 2014 - 01:21 PM

that's whats up.  they weren't complaining until now.  now they trying to make money off that.


Some of the complaints in the lawsuit were their own doing. They said they were put in unsafe fights but the older Rahman showed up and practically begged to spar the guy that whooped his brother. That's just one of many inconsistencies in their complaint. They reaching trying to get a quick cash grab....and I find it funny how their mom was rooting the whole damn time,mof you were unsafe and your health was in danger then your mom is a real piece of shit to stand there and clap it up while watching it and doing nothing about it. They full of it
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#612479 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by mrchitown on 20 October 2014 - 11:54 PM

It's the era we live in, it used to be the media and fans would wait to see how a fighter bounced back after a loss. Now if a fighter loses once, they're immediately on life support. HBO is just an extension of this way of thinking
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#612469 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by klonopinz on 20 October 2014 - 04:18 PM

3 years ago nonito was a 118 pound fighter, not a featehrweight. nonito had no business moving up to 126, it was too big for him, and i still think he could be abner mares and leo santa cruz. he should mvoe back down to 122.  dont forget that nonito and other fighters have dropped rigondeaux and hit him with big shots, its not like nonito got totally outclassed, he lost a decision because he tried to go for a 1 punch ko and it didnt ever come. i still think he is a great fighter, he just has finally hit the weigh ceiling. his power is no mroe effective beyond 122. he hit walters with hard shots but it didnt hurt him enough to finish him. at 126 your gonna be fighting guys who are big punchers ho are on the verge of being 130 pounders like orlando salido and mikey garcia. those types of fighters are jsut to big for nonito to fight, and thats what e saw with walters. nonito just couldnt take the power. i give him props for having the balls to fight this guy instead of waiting for a fight against lomachenko.

 

many great fighters have tried to move up in weight and got blasted, its is a possibility whenever a guy decides to move up. tommy hearns went up to middleweight and got knoced out twice viciously. i think its s sign to go back down. you gota remember that the 122 lb division wasnt that stacked, so moving up to the highly competetive 126 division and then fighting one of the hard hitters, thats a lot to be able to overcome. id like to see rigondeaux move up to 126. look what happened to gamboa. i give them props for having the balls to do it, it doesnt mean their abilities are questionable. every fighter is not floyd mayweather or manny pacquiao.


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#612462 HBO@10PM(ET)/7PM(PT)-Rubio-Golovkin/Donaire-Walters-SPOILERS

Posted by mgrover on 20 October 2014 - 10:47 AM

Why are we giving GGG "W's" for fights that he hasn't even fought yet? Just looking at the matchups on paper, it does appear as though he would win, BUT, we wont know that until the first and last bell sounds. 

 

I like the Quillen and Murray fights, but let's not forget, they both effectively use straight punches....which most of GGG's recent opponents have failed to follow through with. I remember everybody gave Provodnikov the "W" before the Algieri fight, and we saw what happened there...same thing happened with the Porter/Brook fight....all I read was "Porter by TKO"....but we saw what happened there. 

 

The MW division appears to lack talent, but all it takes is a fighter to either move up or down to the division, and the whole trajectory of the division will change. I remember how guys wrote off Lomanchenko before the Salido fight, and of course folks though that GJR would beat him....but we see what happened there. Now we have Walters, Gonzalez, Donaire (if somebody wants to finish him off), J. Velez, Rigondeaux (possibly), Mares (whatever he decides to do)....

 

Point is, somebody could creep up and in their next fight, and be the guy to beat at MW....or the guy who is a good fit for GGG. 

 

maybe and it would be interesting for the fight to happen, but it happening is a big if. if some of the LMW move up then maybe something can come of it, but till then its not as talent deep IMO


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#612458 New Forum - Questions, comments, concerns, etc.

Posted by Jack 1000 on 20 October 2014 - 06:06 AM

Yesterday,

 

I got that error message after liking a post that I had reached my limit for the day.  We need to remove this restriction. I didn't even like any past posts and still got the error message!

 

Jack


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#612456 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by Dolimite on 19 October 2014 - 10:22 PM

Just three years ago HBO was lambasting on Donaire and his power. How he was avoided by ever feather weight. Step into the present and HBO and Arum are basically stepping over him. During the commentary I noticed how Lampley and the rest were still cheering for him, but the moment Walters knock his ass out, their tune quickly changed. Donaire only has 3 losses and is till in his prime. Many boxing fans including myself always questioned Donaire's ability. Rigo exposed his weaknesses and Walters proved to be the aggressor between the two. Now that Donaire isn't the steam roller HBO and Arum made him out to be, they dump him. If Canelo and all of the other new guys who are being hyped up (including GGG) take one or two losses, will the love for them still be there or will it be out with the old and in with the new? As a fighter who is use to being hyped up and loved all of the sudden is on the other side of the coin, what can that do to them mentally as a fighter? The game is cold and cats ain't got a coat. Boxing is a blood sport in and outside the ring. 


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#612443 Floyd vs Cotto has to be next

Posted by mrchitown on 19 October 2014 - 11:17 AM

Floyd closed the show in that one. I had him winning 8-4 or 7-5. I'd have to watch again to be sure. Two things that stand out to me...cotto landed at a higher percentage than anyone Floyd has ever fought and he made Floyd miss more than anyone he has ever fought. The problem for cotto IMO was that he was on the front foot for most of the fight and he used a bullshit high guard. Had he sat on the back foot more which he did in spots... He would have made Floyd miss more and his shots would have had more on them. I think this fight plays out differently because of the corners. I also do NOT believe Floyd chose to stand in the pocket with cotto.


I agree with most of what you said but Cotto did not land at a higher percentage than anyone Mayweather has ever fought

Compubox stats for Mayweather-Maidana I had Maidana landing 221/858 26% and Cotto against Mayweather he was 105/596 with just a 21% connect rate overall

Cotto with Roach training him won't beat Floyd. I'd welcome that fight at MW. I give credit to Roach for bringing back the body punching Cotto but his defense has been crap in the two fights with Freddy. Delvin and peg leg Martinez didn't expose it but a sharp shooter like Floyd will carve him up like a thanksgiving turkey
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#612422 HBO@10PM(ET)/7PM(PT)-Rubio-Golovkin/Donaire-Walters-SPOILERS

Posted by Cshel86 on 18 October 2014 - 10:23 PM

This GGG English is tooooooo funny! Gotta love this guy! Lol

 

"Look....Mex, I have 3 belts, I want fight"

 

:lol:


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#612342 Floyd vs Cotto has to be next

Posted by mgrover on 16 October 2014 - 01:37 PM

Floyd had it easy the first 4-5 rounds then the last 3. Cotto can box and make adjustments too, that is why floyd was missing but i think his corner then, with the cuban trainer, was better than his corner now and thats not a knock on roach.  cotto is all offense now and i think will be be easier to hit for floyd.  

great to see you back btw

 

maybe, but rededication  to that body attack could serve him well in the last few rounds


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#612250 Dillusional A mere con

Posted by klonopinz on 10 October 2014 - 11:51 PM

If they fight it's going to be nothing lol.....there is nothing Khan can do to trouble Mayweather. He has nothing that the guy hasn't seen already.

And speed my ass, Khan is fast but he won't be the fastest fighter Floyd has ever fought. Amir at no point in his career possessed faster hands then Judah, and in the athleticism department a prime Judah was more athletic then Amir. He was just a mental midget

Speed and being tall and somewhat athletic is not going to beat Mayweather. It's going to take a complete fighter to beat Floyd, and there ain't one in and around his weight class. There are some on the cusp of becoming complete fighters like Thurman but he's not there yet. Could get there faster if theses guys stepped in the ring with him (looking at you Amir)...Khan's game has too many flaws. He's not a brawler, he's not a master boxer. His ring IQ is mediocre at best, and he fights amateurish which I notice is completely being glossed over. Those combination punches he throws don't have any real steam on them

I can go off into so much as to why this is a joke and why Khan ain't shit but I already said enough. You need to be complete, and well rounded in all aspects of the fight game to defeat Floyd and Khan is nowhere near a complete fighter

 

i agree with the things you said, and id like to add a few things to that,

 

firstly, even a complete fighter will not beat floyd, because hes a complete fighter as well except he is advanced in all aspects beyond an average complete fighter, he is exceptional in all categories even at his age. i dont believe his age plays any role  whatsoever. look at peyton manning, hes 37 and he had one of the best years of his career last year, so i dont think floyd has lost a step in the skill department. i think khan has definitely improved but to me hes still a huge question mark. one decent fight against a mediocre opponent doesnt prove hes a new and improved fighter tats ready to beat mayweather.

 

in the collazo fight he still fought the same way hes always fought, just with a little more control. he clinched so much, which is better than what he used to do which was just sit with his back on the ropes an take shots. his jab is still the same as it was before, he doesnt have the type of jab that is effective like a kell brook or chris algieri jab. khans arms are the same length as mayweather, the on ly thing is mayweather has spent his whole career learning how to exploit that so he knows ho to use his reach and range so much better than khan. khans speed is focused speed, its not just natural speed that he shoots out without thinking, he focuses all his energy into being as fats as he can and that is why danny knocked him out. i dont think khan ill ever have any chance of beating floyd mayweather and i think the judah fight will end up being a precedent for tgis fight if it ever materialized.

 

i also forgot to mention that the last time floyd fought a fighter with speed, ho was orthodox, ho was a great combo puncher who also had an equal or longer reach and a height advantage was when he fought oscar de la hoya, and we all saw how mayweather schooled him throughout the first 4 rounds and the last 4 rounds of that fight. i think the "blueprint" was greatly exaggerated and romanticized, especially the jab that oscar supposedly dominated him with, that was hoax. he used the jab a bit through the middle of the fight, oscar claimed he stopped using it, but mayweather clearly took it away from him. oscar was also getting his right hand rolled and then countered back with mayweathers big right hand directly to oscars mouth.  with khans glass chin, mayweather will hit him directly on the chin while khan is in the middle of his combo. and since khan will be totally focused on forcing himself to be as fast as possible, he will never see this big counter right hand coming and it ill shake his boots. khan will also be getting jabbed to death by mayweathers superior jab  to the body and head from the center of the rinbg behind the shoukder roll and high guard. mayeathe5r will show khan real footwork, not khans watse of energy skipping around the ring squared up. i honestly believe that khan will miss most of his punches anyway, ithink his connect stats willl be like 15% of his jabs and 20 % of his power punches.


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#612241 Showtime@9PM(ET)/6PM(PT)-Barthelmy vs. Saucedo (SPOILERS)

Posted by mrchitown on 09 October 2014 - 07:42 PM

Dawson is another boxer who had the physical tools to be special in the sport but he never seems to put it together. Inconsistency is his best friend
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