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Posted by checkleft on 13 September 2015 - 11:29 AM
Posted by Dolimite on 14 August 2015 - 07:20 PM
They said he had a tear like Kobe Bryant, Kobe was out a year plus. He wasn't traveling or swimming in the sea. plus they showed Kobe's MRI, still hasn't seen Pac's. He lied plain and simple. Do you honestly believe he hurt his shoulder? He raised his arms high up in the air after the bell in the 12th round. He even told Max that he felt he won the fight. Pac got exposed and he isn't keeping up with the script.
Can someone please explain to me how this constitutes as him faking his injury?
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Posted by Cshel86 on 23 May 2015 - 07:34 PM
So let me get this straight, everybody has cried about boxing being so unorganized, fighters getting ripped off, etc., and now that Haymon is running a tight ship, it's an issue?
I also find it funny that most of you are actually being educated while you hate on the man. Half of yall had no idea what the Muhammad Ali Act was, let alone the difference and responsibilities of a promoter and a manager.
I made those duties and differences clear in a thread a couple of months ago, now everybody's running wild with this "knowledge" of what this man is doing. At the end of the day, people will watch these fights REGARDLESS, so why try to drum up this petition to run Haymon out?
We're actually getting most of the fights that we want to see because of him? Nobody pissed and moaned in 2013, but then it surely surfaced in 2014 about not getting the fights that "the fans" wanna see. I can understand last year's decline, a little, but c'mon, this year has been pretty damn good thus far and STILL people are complaining about Haymon.
I find it funny that people care about fighter's money, management, title belts and so on when it's convenient for them....when they're trying to drive a point. My thing is, who cares? It's the fighter's own responsibility when they sign up for stuff like this. It's not like boxing is going to end IF this lawsuit holds up.
I swear, some act like yall are handling these fighters' careers and losing money behind it. Hell, half of yall rarely show up around here on fight night, but go out of your way to try and prove how bad Haymon is for boxing when a flimsy lawsuit surfaces.
I'm in no way defending what Haymon is doing (if he's in fact committing a crime), because truthfully, I couldn't care less....I'm not the fighter, it's not my career. I'm just addressing the hate and the fact that people hate some (if not all) of Haymon's fighters, starting with Floyd, Broner, Garcia, and the list goes on. Get over it.
Where was all of this evidence when Arum was fucking fighters over? The guy (Haymon) has to know what he's doing, if he and a few others can gather nearly half a billion dollars together and get this whole ship sailing. Nobody's gonna gather that much money and stumble across something as simple as the MAA and ruin it all.
I find it funny that a guy(Oscar) who stole a fuckin fighter (Canelo) from a promoter, can make such an outcry about the best interest of fighters....something that a promoter has shit to do and couldn't care less about.
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Posted by Franchize on 23 April 2015 - 12:18 PM
So my pops called me the other day like "hey I was thinking about ordering the fight at the house, you should come up." I live in Maryland. He lives in my hometown of NYC. Part of me wants to go but the other part doesn't feel like driving and paying all those tolls. So I call my boys here. I only have like 2 close friends I chill with here. I asked a simple question. "What yall doing for the fight." One of them takes mad long to respond...as usual The other says "nothing really." Then he says "I was thinking about having some people over." Then he says "but my boy who's a bartender said he's having a hot tub fight party and is inviting some chicks over who are straight eye candy."
All I cold think of was "nigga didn't you start off with "nothing really." Looks like I might be buying this one at the crib like the last 2 and watching it alone. He fronts like he's a sports fan, but he really just likes to attend shit for the experience. We get free tickets to Wizards games, this MFer barely be watching the game. We get fights, this MFer focused on getting chicken wings and watching other shit until the main event come on. Nah pimpin. Yall know my rule. When I order the fight, I want to see the entire card. Iont give a fuck if Jim Gray is fighting Jim Lampley for the BJC (Best Jim Championship) belt. When I get a birthday card from CVS I don't get just the message on a piece of paper. I get the whole fucking card. So if I'm paying for PPV, same rules apply. I want the WHOLE FUCKING CARD! At $100, that shit is gonna stay on my TV until them MFers say "aight man...shit is over."
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Posted by checkleft on 29 September 2015 - 05:58 PM
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Posted by MAHDI on 29 September 2015 - 02:33 PM
I had no idea Floyd was landing the right hand like he was until the replay and slow mo. Pac actually attacked very cautiously as a result.. the judges got it right-- wide UD for sure
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Posted by klonopinz on 24 September 2015 - 05:03 PM
you know your good as shit at something when dudes are trying to call violation on you breathing during competition. aha! you was tryin to breathe i knew it!!!! fraud ass!!! floyd dont need oxygen to win anymore, im sure charles darwin would have loved to analyze this new anaerobic specimen known as money maybreather.
Posted by ks1 on 21 September 2015 - 11:20 AM
Dude, just be quiet already. The fake scandal is over. "By the same standards..." lol. Like Mayweather was the one who ran from drug testing because he was "scared of needles and it made him weak" and so on. Nonsense.
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Posted by Franchize on 15 September 2015 - 10:00 AM
I'll remember him as one of my favorite all time athletes and one of the last of a dying breed. A guy dedicated to his craft and to the fundamentals. His work ethic is unparalleled. His ring IQ is phenomenal and his skillset is immense. If you likened boxing to real estate, Floyd is one of the last master craftsman in a sport where everyone is slapping together builder grade bullshit. I don't think he's the best ever but I think he's certainly in the discussion. I definitely think he has the best defense of all time though. I think the sport is going to take a hit without him. Is it going to die? No. But much like hip hop, boxing media is damaging the sport and the lack of appreciation for technique and skill (lyricism), and the over glorification of sluggers with no defense (club songs) is going to lead to the sport being a shell of itself. I pray the Andre Wards, and Rigos and Lomachenkos etc start wiping these guys out because at some point, after being told that Floyd's style of boxing is "bad for the sport" kids are going to start wanting to be GGG and Ruslan Provodnikov. Then, we're going to go a while before we see true greatness again.
I'll also remember him as a guy who, along with De La Hoya, helped to revolutionize the financial aspect of the sport. He's really put pressure on the role and relevance of the promoter. His entrepreneurial spirit should open doors and pave ways for fighters to be treated more fairly going forward. I see a lot of young fighters nowadays combating the "you'll take what I give you" regime, which to me, is a good thing.
I'll remember him as a guy who inadvertently proved how fucked up this sport and this country is. Floyd, at one point, was fairly humble. The media and fans allowed Arum to put him on the back burner as "just another nigger." While Oscar, Shane and Cotto were thrust to the forefront. It wasn't until he became an asshole that he started getting all the big fights and money.
All in all, I'll miss him n the ring but I don't think he should fight again. It's not worth it. Fighting without your heart being in it is a dangerous thing. Plus, the negativity and personal attacks are overshadowing the fights at this point. It's becoming a soap opera every time he fights. Not good for the sport. The drama needs to be IN the ring. Not in the press.
My favorite fight and moment was him beating Arturo Gattio (RIP). Might have been the single best display of pure boxing I've ever seen.
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Posted by sduck on 14 September 2015 - 05:06 PM
Keith Thurman is speaking too highly of himself at this stage in his career, especially when his performances don't look very promising. He looks good fighting guys at a range, but I don't care what anyone says, that Collazo fight exposed him. It's different when you see a guy screw up and get punished for it, like a Floyd Mayweather or Amir Khan, Thurman was getting pressured, was throwing shots leaving himself open, and got hit to the body twice, and almost folded, getting walked down. He was saved by Collazo's bad cut. Collazo was a guy he was supposedly supposed to blow through with ease, and Thurman barely made it out there. He can probably beat Amir Khan, cause of Khan's chin, but against Porter, he in for a fight of his life. Kell Brook would likely outpoint him, and win a decision. A fight with Danny will be no walk in the park, I believe Danny takes shots better than Thurman. People talk about Errol Spence, Spence gets hit easy, so we won't know how he fairs against Thurman's power, but Spence can also dish out some goods, especially to the body. Thurman is in for some tough competition to be speaking like he the next great. If he can get to that level, I'll highly respect it, but he need to step his game up. He got some tough competition.
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Posted by mitukczuk on 13 September 2015 - 07:53 AM
Ok, that was it. No matter if this really was Floyd's last fight, for now he is officially retired.
During the post fight press, I felt kinda emotional. It sure is the end of an era.
I am wondering how will you guys remember him?
For me, he is the reason I've started following boxing many years ago. I immediately fell in love with his pull counter right. Im not a fan of two guys just beating the living shit out of each other. But I am a fan of hit and not get hit.
I don't give a damn about his personal life, we have all made some crucial mistakes. I have always followed his boxing act rather than his life, because 90% of it was for the cameras anyway and the rest is just his own damn business. I don't give a damn about that so called "cherry picking"...first I don't agree, second all fighters do it if they are in the position to call shots.
Floyd has set numerous records. His work ethic and skills are unmatched and truly a testament of pure science even at 38 years of age. He introduced drug testing to boxing. He brought BIG, unprecedented cash to the sport. He has been at the pinnacle for THREE EFFIN DECADES and remained UNDEFEATED and even not officially knocked down (Dat Judah tiny knockdown...whatever ). Nuff said.
And the negatives? Hell....I don't know. When it comes to boxing, I see none. Outside of the square circle? Who gives a f...
My favorite fights were for sure vs Corrales, Gatti, Marquez, Cotto and Canelo.
I feel very lucky to have witnessed his reign. Incredible talent.
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Posted by AZWildCat on 16 August 2015 - 05:38 PM
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Posted by BrutUalBK on 12 August 2015 - 09:18 PM
I'm a huge Floyd fan but I agree he isn't the best ever. That being said, to say he bought anything is odd to say the least. He earned his status. Your comment makes it seem as if he's some hype job. I also disagree that Ali was the best of all time. One could argue Larry Holmes over Ali. In my opinion, the best ever is Ray Robinson and Hagler is up there as well. Floyd deserves to at least be in the discussion though. The reason why he's in the discussion is because everyone else from his division who could have been in any discussion, he beat. Pacquiao, Cotto, Mosley, De La Hoya were the top dogs. The HOF fighters of this era...and he beat them. And no unbiased critic can argue whether he won those fights either.
Name one top black fighter that SRR faced and beat in his time??? I think too much emphasis is placed on names from the era when I was growing up, let's be honest here; how many of you believe that Floyd would've lost to someone with 7 fights??
Sure Ali was great, but was he truly the greatest? Journeymen took him the distance, he was flattened by Frazier in the first fight and showed much vulnerability throughout his career, not to mention receiving a broken jaw vs Norton and not being able to do much vs Foreman except languish on the ropes allowing Big George to punch himself out and later after the fight having to explain his inept ability as "The Rope a Dope".
I love Ali but his career ended early by today's standards, the same can be said for the cherrypicking of SRL, he retired early by today's standard as was beaten to a pulp by Norris and even Hector Macho Camacho, he waited late into his career to face MMH and used CW's to face Lalonde and never wanted to face The Hawk.
Today there aren't too many fighters talked up in the way that the fighters of the 50-80's are talked up, if you were to totally hang your hat on the way these old legends are described you'd swear none of them ever lost, beat only elite champions and was rarely touched in fights but this just isn't true.
When we speak of legends today it is with far more scrutiny vs those of the past, we diminish and weaken the eras after the 90s because none of the names are as celebrated as those from the past. I hate unfair criticism and i believe in fairness, comparing eras is stupid, we should just dispense with these ATG lists and whatnot because there is just no fair way to compare fighters of now to then and vice versa.
Hopkins is definitely a top fighter in our era just as SRR is a top fighter in his era, to take away from BHop simply because you are looking at other fighters from other eras is totally unfair.
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Posted by Franchize on 12 August 2015 - 09:06 AM
I'll go outside of the actual fighting
1. Bro Naz making Shane repeat him because Floyd was wearing his ass out
2. Emmanuel Steward's "oh my God" in Ortiz vs Berto
3. Roy Jones "ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" when Pacquiao got KO'd with Jim Lampley struggling hard with denial in the background
4. Floyd wearing the sombrero vs Oscar. (I was at a cookout with my cousin's friends who were all Mexican. They were drunk off Corona's and talkin shit all night)
5. Roy Jones commentary in the Mayweather vs Gatti fight. He was very blunt about the fact that Gatti had no shot and didn't miss any opportunities reminding everyone lol
6. When ole boy threw up blood in his corner after a Marquez body punch.
7. Floyd making football predictions mid fight.
8. Roy Jones little behind the back figure skating routine before a KO lol
9. Joe Frazier and Tommy Hearns hop, skip jumps after getting rocked vs Foreman and Hagler respectively lol
10. Ricky Hatton's fans when he fought Floyd. Might be the greatest fans of all time.
11. Wilfred Benitez laughing after he KO'd Maurice Hope knowing he just caught him with the okie doke lol
12. Mike Tyson vs James "Bonecrusher" Smith, Jim Lampley turns to Harold Letterman and says his trademark " Harold how do you see it so far?" to which he replied "It's the first round Jim"
Posted by Cshel86 on 22 July 2015 - 09:12 AM
Just another young and cocky fighter who's starting to believe his own hype. To me, he was never really anything special....and I'm speaking of his rise to the premium TV during his FNFs days.
When you win a fuckin title as young fighter, you fight everybody, not get complacent and entitled. I remember back in the day, when a guy won his first title, you couldn't turn on the TV without seeing them in the ring.
I love Floyd as a fighter, but a lot of these guys are taking after him....in the wrong way, of course. These cats win one belt (which is often a vacant title), then they sit back, protect their padded records, and try to let everybody else batter each other.
Floyd started doing this late in his career....after he earned it. These guys struggle against B-level fighters, which are supposed to be step-up fights for them.
I used to be happy for young guys who won their first title, but it's become a struggle to support as of late. He ruined the Charlo fight, which is around the time that I wrote him off. If he never fights again, I won't lose any sleep.
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Posted by thehype on 12 June 2015 - 11:12 AM
It does appear to be a series of Haymon's guys set up for the win. At least going in, not one of PBC's better nights. Here is the article. The first is a press release and scrolling down is comments about it:
Credit: The Sweet Science .com
I STRONGLY disagree!
Don't get me wrong, FRIDAY'S card does indeed seem like a bunch of mismatches because, in my opinion, Delvin Rodriguez should NOT be fighting Erislandy Lara for his title. That being said, just about every other PBC card has been headlined by pick 'em fights...and actually, just about all of them have delivered some good action. The REAL problem is that too many DIEHARD fans and media think that they are experts when it comes to predicting the outcome of fights. Furthermore, some of those same diehard fans and media are already biased against Al Haymon.
The fact of the matter is that at different times, ALL promotional companies put together mismatches for various different reasons. Sometimes it's because they want to showcase a fighter. Other times it's because a fighter is coming off of a tough loss, or even a tough win for that matter. The point is, it's not just a PBC issue.
Thus far, the following fights have headlined PBC cards, and all of them were either pick 'em fights or they delivered in action:
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Posted by MaxPayne on 21 May 2015 - 11:09 PM
This is the most important thing to take note of.
The Ali Act was made to ensure that fighters would not be wrongly exploited by Promoters/Managers/Whoever.
Promoters operating the way in the current way are routinely robbing fighters and we all know this for a fact. Just look at Arum and what he's done to Pacman.
Al Haymon is getting his fighters paid and getting them major exposure and you don't hear ONE WORD of discontent from any fighters.
I think one of the Dirrell brothers was the only one to leave him and even that was amicable. Besides, who knows what the fuck the Dirrells are thinking.
All you hear about is how much they praise Haymon and do shit like naming their kids after him (Leo Santa Cruz's son).
Whereas you see tons of malcontents with Arum's fuckboy organization.
Nonito tried to leave. Yuriorkis Gamboa left after a complete shit show. The Chavez Jr. situation. Mikey Garcia being locked up in litigation.
If these guys felt happy and content, why the fuck would they want to leave ? Put 2 and 2 together.
This may be selfish, but beyond getting great fights, all I care about is the fighters getting paid so that they are taken care of.
Boxing is legalized violence. No sport involves so directly killing yourself, blow by blow, to get money.
So I hope that each and every pro fighter can maximize their value without filthy fucks like Arum stealing from them.
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Posted by Dolimite on 05 May 2015 - 01:29 PM
Casual Fans & Media: FUCK EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU BITCHES! How dare you comment on a sport that you know jack shit about and have the audacity to complain! You don't know shit about boxing but want to say the fight was boring and all Floyd did was run? Skip Bayless you are beyond hopeless. I can't believe you assholes want to complain about this fight. You only watch boxing once every two years but all of the sudden you make yourselves overnight experts on the sport? Really? Nevermind Floyd has fought this way his entire career, he is a defensive wizard, was it his fault Pac couldn't make the adjustments? You guys are unreal. Go watch watch UFC or Rocky. You guys suck and for the millionaires who were able to watch a fight that real fans should of had, I hope you got what you paid for.
Domestic Violence Protesters- Fuck you as well. Where were you when Floyd fought Cotto, Alvarez or any other fight? You take a issue that is international and you pimp it for viewers and internet clicks. These chargers aren't new. They didn't even happen last year. Some of the chargers the accuser recanted their statement. Jossie Harris was at the first Maidana fight and at his jail release party. I have no idea what happened between Floyd and his women, but what Jim Brown said was right and perfect. neither man is perfect but hopefully they can be champions outside the ring. Why try to hang a person for past allegations? I am glad Floyd denied credentials to the two chics who were going to try and grill him about DV. The shit was old, fuck these opportunist people.
Pacquiao- You are a sore loser and a fraud for real! First you said you won the fight, then your shoulder was torn? Okay. you took your loss to Bradley better than you did with this fight. What happened to you being humble? You pimped God and cheated the fans.
Floyd- Good damn job!
Roach- 7 TOTY and you let your main gun supposedly fight hurt? But he is like a son to you? Your game plan was awful and you have no idea how or when to make adjustments for a fight. You did the same thing with Shimming. You never taught him how to cut the ring off and how to avoid the same damn punch! WTF! Retire. Why was Bueboy giving Manny all the advice? Who is the trainer?
Arum- I can see why you didn't want them to fight five years ago. You burned lots of bridges old man.
NSAC- Way to do your job!
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Posted by sduck on 03 May 2015 - 12:16 AM
Skill won this fight. Pacquiao looked GOOD this fight, he actually did better than I thought he would. Mayweather's skill is what ultimately and inevitably made the difference.
On a personal note; Goodbye pactards. You tainted the sport long enough.
Posted by Franchize on 07 October 2015 - 03:27 PM
They did do CIR and EPO testing. In fact, USADA stated quite explicitly that they conducted CIR tests on all 22 urine samples from both May and Pac. In addition they tested for EPO and HGH. I have no idea why some here keep raising the issue.
This thread is like roaches. Nothing good comes of it and it just won't die lol
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