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#613037 HBO@10:45(ET)/7:45 (PT)-Hopkins vs. Kovalev-SPOILERS

Posted by Jack 1000 on 10 November 2014 - 03:39 AM

Why is HBO so quick to try and retire somebody? They did the same with Khan, and that was what, his 2nd loss (the Garcia fight)? Congrats to Kovalev for the victory, though I'm a bit salty....only because this was more of a victory for HBO...whom I despise. Lol

 

The problem is Jim Lamply's slugger-bias mentality.  However, it may also be related to a bigger issue of HBO trying to attract the younger "Slugger Mentality" fan-base,

 

There was a time about 20 years ago when Jim was more objective.  Those days are long gone.  Do you think Jim is doing this himself, if not, who was the higher up at HBO that started the "pom-pom" shaking?  I wonder if it might have been Ross Greenberg?  He was more of a producer than boxing man anyway.  Lou Dibella brought the original HBO Boxing After Dark.  But many of those were classic brawls.  Still think that Ward-Gatti I was the beginning of the "Favorable Brawl" era for HBO.  Lamply loved Roy Jones even when he was fighting no-hopers, and Roy was never this "vicious brawler."

 

Something changed within the HBO landscape to make Jim Lamply commentate favoring the brawler style now.  Lamply is too set in his ways now to call fights objectively, and is simply too old. Maybe if Chris Algeri does better than expected against Pacquiao, they could retire Lamply and bring Chris in to commentate,  He's articulate, witty, funny, is a good boxer, and has a pleasant personality to show these younger kids that boxing can be exciting, not every fight has to be a brawl. 

 

Jim Lamply has too much control of the ship over at HBO.  It could also be HBO on the whole, with their relationship to Top Rank, and Arum showing dislike for "elusive boxing."  Bob does seem to have a favorable bias for the Hispanic/Mexican/Latin America fan base.  Maybe so much of the issue is that with today's "MMA short-attention span" generation, elusive boxers don't put asses in the seats.  The thing is, if Lamply does retire, would the higher-ups at HBO ALLOW an impartial commentator in his place?  When Max began at HBO, he showed more objectivity, actually he is and remains a "bad Merchant clone."  However, Lamply when Max is commentating, often steers him toward HBO "group-think" mode.  When Max does post-fght interviews, Lamply is not there to steer the ship, allowing for more objectivity.

 

Jack


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#613025 HBO@10:45(ET)/7:45 (PT)-Hopkins vs. Kovalev-SPOILERS

Posted by Hotsauce on 09 November 2014 - 01:54 AM

B hop still a legend
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#612807 Hopkins vs Kovalev-Preview and Poll

Posted by mrchitown on 07 November 2014 - 03:12 PM

People comparing Kovalev to Pavlik are crazy. Pavlik was literally a drunken mess during training camp for the Hopkins fight. He was an alcoholic.


Stop with the excuses.
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#612492 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by Cshel86 on 21 October 2014 - 01:13 PM

3 years ago nonito was a 118 pound fighter, not a featehrweight. nonito had no business moving up to 126, it was too big for him, and i still think he could be abner mares and leo santa cruz. he should mvoe back down to 122.  dont forget that nonito and other fighters have dropped rigondeaux and hit him with big shots, its not like nonito got totally outclassed, he lost a decision because he tried to go for a 1 punch ko and it didnt ever come. i still think he is a great fighter, he just has finally hit the weigh ceiling. his power is no mroe effective beyond 122. he hit walters with hard shots but it didnt hurt him enough to finish him. at 126 your gonna be fighting guys who are big punchers ho are on the verge of being 130 pounders like orlando salido and mikey garcia. those types of fighters are jsut to big for nonito to fight, and thats what e saw with walters. nonito just couldnt take the power. i give him props for having the balls to fight this guy instead of waiting for a fight against lomachenko.

 

many great fighters have tried to move up in weight and got blasted, its is a possibility whenever a guy decides to move up. tommy hearns went up to middleweight and got knoced out twice viciously. i think its s sign to go back down. you gota remember that the 122 lb division wasnt that stacked, so moving up to the highly competetive 126 division and then fighting one of the hard hitters, thats a lot to be able to overcome. id like to see rigondeaux move up to 126. look what happened to gamboa. i give them props for having the balls to do it, it doesnt mean their abilities are questionable. every fighter is not floyd mayweather or manny pacquiao.

Donaire was big enough for these weight classes, til he got in with a bigger guy....that's the way the cookie crumbles. Everybody that he's fought over the years, have been smaller than him. That Mathebula dude and V-12 were tall, but weight wise, Donaire was the bigger guy. 

 

We can't say that Donaire can't compete at FW, because he ran into a bigger FW. In every division, you're gonna be bigger than some guys and some guys are gonna be bigger than you. We can't say that he had no business being in there with Walters because of the size (weight), but he fought a smaller Rigo a weight class lower, and nobody had a problem with it. 

 

Thing is, there is a limit, and Donaire found it....as you mentioned. I still think he could beat guys like Mares and maybe....just maybe Gamboa...hell, maybe even Garcia...maybe. At the end of the day, it's about skill....that beats size (most days out of the week). 

 

I say that he could beat those guys, because you have to think about it this way....have those guys been in with guys with Donaire's speed who lands at weird angles? Not really. We've seen Mares get buried by a slow counterpunch, and we've seen Garcia down a slow ugly punch at the hands of that skeletor lookin' motherf*cker a couple of fights ago. Gamboa's chin can be tapped, and we've seen him go down because he's careless as hell. 

 

Now, I'm not saying that Donaire has THAT much pop at FW, but consider the following....he DID hurt Walters a few times last weekend....it wasn't a complete blowout like most are trying to make it into. Gotta love boxing fans....a guy that they can't stand, gets beat, and suddenly, their opponent who pulled off the W, gets all of these embellished accolades. 

 

Again, Donaire DID hurt Walters a few times, but he neglected the body...classic Donaire....always looking for that ONE big shot to change the fight or end it...meanwhile, the other guys is out hustling him. Honestly, he and Walters fought kinda stupid in a few patches of that fight...Donaire just paid for his mistakes. 

 

You make great points about the bigger guys in each division, so true. At the end of the day, skills can trump that, if the big guy isn't careful. A perfectly timed punch with juuuust enough pressure, can hurt anybody or end the fight....so a TKO is comprised of more than just power and size. Donaire can land at crazy angles at times, which can serve as trouble for guys like Mares, Gamboa, and Garcia. 


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#612456 Out with the old in with the new

Posted by Dolimite on 19 October 2014 - 10:22 PM

Just three years ago HBO was lambasting on Donaire and his power. How he was avoided by ever feather weight. Step into the present and HBO and Arum are basically stepping over him. During the commentary I noticed how Lampley and the rest were still cheering for him, but the moment Walters knock his ass out, their tune quickly changed. Donaire only has 3 losses and is till in his prime. Many boxing fans including myself always questioned Donaire's ability. Rigo exposed his weaknesses and Walters proved to be the aggressor between the two. Now that Donaire isn't the steam roller HBO and Arum made him out to be, they dump him. If Canelo and all of the other new guys who are being hyped up (including GGG) take one or two losses, will the love for them still be there or will it be out with the old and in with the new? As a fighter who is use to being hyped up and loved all of the sudden is on the other side of the coin, what can that do to them mentally as a fighter? The game is cold and cats ain't got a coat. Boxing is a blood sport in and outside the ring. 


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#613502 Floyd vs Cotto has to be next

Posted by klonopinz on Yesterday, 03:23 PM

the entire trout belt situation was ridiculous. first fo all, cotto won the wba belt from margarito 2 fight, then he lost it to floyd who was already a wbc 147 champion, therefore making floyd a SUPER wba champion because the wba is the only other sanctioning body that will recognixe the other belts. this is actually just a loop hole for them to create two champions in each division.

 

then since floyd became the super champ, they made a new REGULAR wba belt and allowed cotto to fight for the exact same fuckin belt he just lost but against a totally different opponent. they allowed trout to fight rigoberto alvarez for the wba belt, i think it was either interim or intercontinetal or etcetc. anyway cotto lost to trout therfore allowing trout to move on as the regular wba champ. then trout goes to fight canelo who was the wbc champ at the time. 

 

so canelo wns the wba regular, and since he already had the wbc 154, he becomes another SUPER champ, but how is that possible when floyd is alreayd the wba 154 SUPER champ? whackkkkkkkkkk. anyway canelo then unifies hi super wba belt with floyd original ba super belt. so youd think that that would officially merge all wba 154 titles right? wrong! because now they allow trout, the guy ho lsot the regulatr wba belt to fight lara for the new interim wba belt! which lara then wins, only to go on to fight canelo.

 

i respect canelo for sayign fuck this wba shit, and denying the itnerim wba belt because he knos deep in his heart he lost that same fuckin belt to floyd, so he lloks at lara as a bullshit paper champion, which he absolutely is. now the welterwight division is another story. but thats for another time.

 

so it seems as thoguh the guy who loses the regular wba belt to a guy who becomes a super champion, is then allowed to go and fight for that same regular belt he jsut lost in his next fight, which is what happened to cotto and then trout, and then canelo except canelo denied it. its so fucked up


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#613499 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by Cshel86 on Yesterday, 01:31 PM

The fuckin site went bananas right after the 4th or 5th round, so I just said fuck it. For what it's worth, Chris hung in there and didn't go out like David Diaz. Those "six knockdowns" don't need to be advertised as if Manny legitimately floored the guy six times. 

 

Chris fought like a small man all night, and Lane didn't have much to offer him between rounds. Manny still sucks in the footwork department and he was off balance with a lot of those shots that he was reaching with....but Chris wasn't smart enough to make him pay. 

 

You can tell just nervous Algieri was, it was painfully obvious. Him circling the ring only prolonged the onslaught at times, but hell, Manny was still missing and hitting gloves at times. As I stated in my prediction, Manny may not crack as hard as he used to, but he has the speed to land that awkward left of his.

 

Though he makes a lot of mistakes, he's quick enough to not pay for them...if he's in with a guy who isn't smart enough to time him and make him pay. I can't say that we saw the same classic Manny that we saw in the 4th fight, but most of this intimidation on Chris's part and confusion (on Manny's end) from all of the movement...Manny did what he had to do.  


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#613494 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by xxxxxx on Yesterday, 04:26 AM

i knew algieri would get schooled.  people act like he was thing great boxer with a super jab, and pacman slipped it like it wasnt even there. anyway, now that this is over and the chris algieri show is done with we can get the mayweather pacquiao hype train back on track.

It's now or never when it's still relevant. Both still Champions and both guys are #1 & #2 P4P. Still a huge fight which just shows the greatness of both careers.


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#613492 Mickey Rourke? Is it THAT bad out here?

Posted by klonopinz on Yesterday, 04:22 AM

last time i saw mickey rourke fight was in bullet. he got his ass beat


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#613489 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by klonopinz on Yesterday, 04:14 AM

i knew algieri would get schooled.  people act like he was thing great boxer with a super jab, and pacman slipped it like it wasnt even there. anyway, now that this is over and the chris algieri show is done with we can get the mayweather pacquiao hype train back on track.


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#613479 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by klonopinz on Yesterday, 12:28 AM

im watching the boxnation stream. no lampley aha


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#613478 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by mgrover on Yesterday, 12:26 AM

urghh Lampley


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#613476 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by Hotsauce on Yesterday, 12:26 AM

That was a slip
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#613469 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by BoxingEinstein on Yesterday, 12:19 AM

"The pride of Stone Brook University!!!.....Chris Allllllgieriiiii!"
 
:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Dead over here....real tears of laughter...

Did they really announce that? Lmfaooooo
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#613428 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by Kratza on 22 November 2014 - 10:43 PM

Sly and Arny in the building


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#613422 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by pimpfighterROQ on 22 November 2014 - 10:35 PM

Pacquiao's footlocker commercial in the background LMAO
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#613416 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by pimpfighterROQ on 22 November 2014 - 10:30 PM

Really liking Loma's footwork.
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#613409 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by jtiizzle on 22 November 2014 - 10:22 PM

manny mom doing that voodoo shit


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#613404 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by Cshel86 on 22 November 2014 - 10:18 PM

Manny's mom is back in the locker room doing some voodoo....just another day in the office. Lol


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#613389 PPV@9PM(ET/6PM(PT)) Pacquiao vs. Algieri-SPOILERS

Posted by Cshel86 on 22 November 2014 - 09:56 PM

Vargas took the last round. Great fight...it's keeping me alive long enough to sit through this Shiming and Lomanchenko shit show. 


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