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#11 BrutUalBK

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 11:01 PM

I mean, people can believe what they want. 

 

Roy Jones Jr clearly lost a step (as do all fighters) from his early 30's onwards.

 

His success was predicated largely on his physical abilities and so a decline was inevitable.

 

I am simply stating that said decline was accelerated by his jumping up and down in weight classes at an age where fighters should really try and stabilize a single weight cut regimen.

I'm not disagreeing with you regarding cutting weight at a certain age but we didn't see any huge decline in Roy in regards to work output like we saw in Oscar, Chavez Jr and now that I think about it Chris Byrd too when he went back down from HW and looked like a skeleton of his former self.

 

Roy still had great output, fast hands.........the thing that damaged Jones was he lacked a true fundamental skillset on defense like Hopkins and Mayweather did and he was only able to get away from shots before and look impressive because of his reflexes, once they left him then we saw his flaws getting exposed more and more with the results being devastating KO's by guys like Glenn Johnson (not even a big puncher) who would've never laid a glove on Jones in Roy's prime.


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#12 mgrover

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 03:11 AM

I highly doubt that he was paid to do nothing, one thing you guys have to consider; if Chavez had fought to win and did so then he'd be the Cashcow and the next in the line for an even bigger payday with rematches between himself and Canelo and even a big money fight vs GGG.

 

It makes no sense for him to take a dive with all that money on the table with a win over Canelo.

 

I think he thinks hes cash cow either way, he doesn't care about more fights really. he just wanted a pay out which am sure he got. they picked him because they knew he wouldnt upset the apple cart.

 

And dicking around with weight is always, always a terrible idea so many have done it and been fucked cause it to name a few, Jones Jr, Traver, Hatton, Dawson etc etc


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#13 BrutUalBK

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 01:02 AM

 

I think he thinks hes cash cow either way, he doesn't care about more fights really. he just wanted a pay out which am sure he got. they picked him because they knew he wouldnt upset the apple cart.

 

And dicking around with weight is always, always a terrible idea so many have done it and been fucked cause it to name a few, Jones Jr, Traver, Hatton, Dawson etc etc

Bad examples you picked for weight issues, Tarver has always been known to walk around at about 218, that mess came out about the Rocky weight gain after he lost to Hopkins, not before.  It kinda reminded me of when Jones first lost to Tarver, he made up some excuse and blamed it on his father but notice how nothing was said before that.

Hatton was always known to walk around at 200 plus lbs so he wasn't dicking around as you put it, he just routinely blew up between bouts, his was never a matter of cutting weight, it was more like having to lose all the fat he accumulated as a result of blowing up but still that was his fault for not being disciplined enough to stay away from fattening foods and beer.  There is a difference between having to flat out lose weight as it is for cutting weight, two different processes are involved.

 

Jones had no excuses whatsoever, he stepped on the scales fully clothed for his hw fight with Ruiz and even had large objects in his pockets to give him the questionable 193 he weighed in at.  Regardless he came in the Tarver fight looking fast not lethargic like Oscar and Chavez Jr looked so his case is not the same as those.

 

I'm just tired of people giving Roy a pass on his loss to Tarver, what was his excuse in the 3rd fight?? He lost that one too, can't blame a weight cut for that.



#14 MaxPayne

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 09:15 PM

I think that the point is, Jones was declining at that stage (on top of weight fluctuations) and he was beaten by a "lesser fighter".

 

I say that because I believe that a prime, in his late 20's Roy Jones Jr. would have smoked Tarver, the same way that he smoked a young Hopkins and a young Toney, who were much, much better fighters than Tarver ever was.

 

Regardless, the fights happened and Roy lost spectacularly. Shit happens in this sport, but Roy at his peak was an incredible fighter who may well have been unbeatable due to his once-in-a-generation athleticism. 






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