American Son: My Story is an autobiography about Oscar De La Hoya. It chronicles his rise to the top, the pitfalls of stardom and his personal view on what it means to be an American and to achieve the American Dream. In the first two chapters of the book, titled "A Promise Made" and "A Promise Kept", De La Hoya discusses the important role that his family, specifically his mother, played in his life and ultimately his career that would see him capture an Olympic gold medal and six world titles in six different divisins. Despite all the accomplishement, however, it is a broken promise that young Devon De La Hoya will remember about one of the most celebrated fighters in the history of boxing.
It's no secret that De La Hoya has fathered kids out of wedlock and Devon De La Hoya is one of those children. "I have two kids, out of wedlock, who are 9 and 8. They are my pride and joy. Being older and wiser, I realize they are everything I have. I live life now for them. Even though I do travel a lot and spend time in Puerto Rico, which is my home base, I have to make time for my kids. It's a priority of mine to make sure that my family is always happy," he stated in a 2007 interview with Kathleen Mascarenas of Latino Future Magazine. Devon is now 10 years old and it's been eight years since he last saw the father he longs to see. Although Devon's mother, Angelicque McQueen, has made several attempts to give her son the opportunity to spend time with his father, Devon still anxiously awaits the chance to see the man who claims he's a priority.
While fathering out-of-wedlock kids has almost become commonplace among athletes, how does a child deal with having a father whom he hardly knows and rarely sees except on television? The following is an interview with Angelicque McQueen regarding her son, Devon De La Hoya, and the story of his wish to spend time with his father.
BT: So how'd you first meet Oscar De La Hoya? What happened?
AM: Well, I met Oscar in 1998. I was actually working at a club called Fritz 2 in Anaheim, a Gentleman's Club. The reason I was there was because my husband was touring a lot. He was a drummer for Great White. I didn't feel like I was married. He had a lot of girlfriends and so I got bored. I started going to the club, hanging out, dancing and Oscar was coming into the club. I didn't know who he was. I do remember several times him asking me if I wanted to go karaoke. I had talked with him on several, several occassions and then, one night, my husband and I had a really bad falling out. I went in to work and Oscar was there and I said, "You want to go karaoke?" He goes, "Yeah!" So we went karaoke and I found out so much about this man. I just thought he was the most incredible person. I was already used to the autographs and stuff because that's what my husband dealt with. I just felt that he was very humble. What I did find very interesting was the fact that he had so much pain still from losing his mother. To me, that meant he was a sensitive guy and I thought that was a good thing. Wow. There was still that issue that I was married and I have to, for the record, say that I did not tell Oscar that I was married and when things kind of got more serious, someone else decided to do that for me, so I was not allowed to have that conversation with Oscar. People got involved when I found out I was pregnant. Oscar was like, "It's gonna be okay. You're gonna be fine." I remember we were kickboxing; we would like spar and play around and he was like, "Oh my gosh, he's going to be a killer." So we had these conversations that most people have. What I didn't know was that either Richard Schaefer or the attorney, someone had informed my husband that the phones were tapped. There were several conversations that Oscar and I had that were tape recorded. I'm thinking that it must have been told to Oscar that I was setting him up; that I was out to scam him or I was scam artist. That's not the case at all. Absolutely not. I got divorced after that. I was shunned from my Rockstar Wife's Club. Oscar got my OB/GYN; he was the same doctor that delivered Magic Johnson's children. Great doctor. He [Oscar] made sure of that, but I just couldn't talk to him. Everybody else kind of took over; the attorneys, etc. So I was told by Richard Schaefer, "Well, once you get divorced, you know, it's not going to hurt Oscar's image. It's going to hurt his image if you're married, but once you get divorced, Oscar will come around and he'll want to see his son." Well, I got divorced and then it was, "After Oscar gets done with this fight, because Oscar's training, then he'll want to see his son." I just didn't ever want Oscar to feel that I was out to hurt his image. The thing is, I didn't really see the big deal, the problem, until I was actually sitting on the bed and I'm breast feeding my son and I'm looking at the TV and there's Oscar with this other woman coming out of the hospital with a baby girl. I'm like, "Who's that?" And I found out that was Shanna [Moakler].
BT: So Oscar was basically having two kids at the same time?
AM: Three months apart. Three months apart. You know, the thing is it was a three-month relationship and it was almost as if one person was taken out of the picture and one person was placed right in front of him like, "She kind of looks like her. Here, you can have her instead." I know that kind of sounds...and then Shanna turns around and marries a drummer and I'm like, "Oh my God, this is crazy" (Laughing).
BT: They were definitely in the picture in the beginning? Oscar knew what was going on, Richard Schaefer knew what was going on and...
AM: (Cutting in) He knew what was going on. Actually, I remember talking to him and he was on the golf course. We were discussing how we were going to handle this and we both agreed for the sake of everyone that it would be best not to cause a fracas. I remember him saying, "I have to go. I've been promising my friend's uncle that I would play golf and I've been putting it off and putting it off and he's standing next to me. I gotta go." I was pregnant and Oscar wanted to talk more about the situation, but he couldn't get five minutes alone and felt very pressured to play some golf game with his supposed friend's uncle. Well, that uncle actually turned out to be Richard Schaefer. It was the beginning of Richards place. Whenever you read about how Oscar went to Richard, that is not how it went down. Maybe Oscar did start asking about how to secure his finances since he did have one new baby, Jacob, and two women pregnant at
the same time, but he did not set up that meeting. Richard wanted to meet Oscar and then Richard did what he does best...sold himself straight to the top. He owns that place. Make no mistake, Richard makes all the rules. Everyone answers to Richard, including Oscar. So then I started trying to get a hold of Richard because I thought that was the only way I was going to get to Oscar. I wanted my son to get to know his father. I could have easily sold the stupid story. I could have easily made money. It's not about the money. It just seems like everyone wants to make it about the money, but for me, it's what happened to the man that I met? What happened to the man that I once knew? What happend to him? Where is he? I'm very close with the De La Hoya family. His uncle Vincent, his aunt Isabella, his cousin Monica and Ginny, they adore Devon. Even Oscar's own father; Devon's been over to his grandpa's house and they're not getting it. They're trying to figure out what's going on.
BT: So this isn't a case where you just come up out of the blue and are claiming that this is Oscar De La Hoya's son?
AM: No, no, no, no, no!
BT: Everybody knew from the get-go? Did they require you to do a DNA test just to make sure?
AM: Of course! Of course! I got the DNA and it was 99.96%, you know?
BT: Like Maury Povich, "You ARE the father!" (Laughing).
AM: (Laughing) No, no. This is the mistake I made, and I did a video about this on YouTube, but I kept it out of the court system, which actually was the very wrong thing to do. I thought I was doing the right thing because, like I said, my whole goal was to prevent my son from being raised without a father. It wasn't about the money. I don't care if he lives in a cardboard box. People may not believe that, but I come from a very strong family-oriented background and fathers...you can not replace a father. You can't put a price tag on it. There's no money that he can give that will give Devon what he needs. You can never replace a father. I just remember wanting to get along with these people the best way I knew how for the long-term benefit of my son and his relationship with his dad. That was the wrong thing to do. I should have went to court, I should have had the judge order the DNA, it should have been done the way it's supposed to be done, the way in which everyone has the right to do. Don't ever do anything under the table. Don't ever do anything private because you'll end up screwing yourself in the long run.
BT: How was it done? Did they bring in some private doctors or private testers?
AM: Well, what happened was my attorney promised to keep everything confidential. As I said, I was married so he was not only dealing with the DNA issue with Oscar, but he was also supposed to be getting my divorce finalized. So this attorney went to Long Beach Genetics and was sitting there as a witness to make sure Oscar was the one getting the DNA test done. He told me the conversation, he said, "You're never going to believe this, but I'm sitting there and I'm hearing Richard Schaefer tell Oscar to fire everyone at Golden Boy; clean house now! And Oscar is getting on the phone and he's doing it." I'm like, "Just watch! Make sure the blood comes from Oscar. I don't care what's going on." He thought he was seeing something historical. I'm like, "Just get the DNA!" So the DNA came back positive of course and...
BT: (Cutting in) This was 1999?
AM: In March of 1999. Yeah. I don't understand. I'm not...I don't know. It just feels like if I would've went on TV screaming and crying and making a big deal about it, I would've gotten further for my son. I don't know what's going on. I don't even know if Oscar knows what's going on. I'm thinking...and this may be far-fetched, but I'm thinking that Oscar really didn't understand that I got divorced and may have thought that I was raising his child as my husband's child. I don't know because the child support is paid, but it's paid from, and I might get in trouble for saying this, but it's paid from a trust fund that was set up by Richard and it's under the name John Doe and that is ridiculous to me.
BT: Really?
AM: A dead person's name? John Doe? I mean, that's where this money comes from. It's set up in this account that generates a certain amount of interest every month and that's what I get for child support so Oscar doesn't necessarily right a check.
BT: But that's not court ordered, right?
AM: Well, it isn't in a court order that says it has to come from a trust fund under the name John Doe. It just has to be a certain amount every month, which is completely confidential.
BT: So it's definitely court ordered child support, but you went through private lawyers and everything to get that done?
AM: Well, then when my divorce wasn't getting finalized as soon as I believed it should have been, I caught on to what was going on. The laws in California, they say that if you are married for two years and you have a child, then the father automatically becomes the person that you are actually married to. He is the responsible person. So the paternity rights would have been given over to my husband. So when I figured that law out, I fired that attorney, hired a new attorney and got the divorce finalized and was just barely able to prevent Richard from basically giving my son away to someone else.
BT: So Oscar wouldn't be responsible at all?
AM: Exactly. They're pretty smart, let me tell you. They're very, very wise. Very wise.
BT: Wow. Okay, so everybody knew about it. Oscar knew about his son, the whole family knew about his son...I don't understand exactly...
AM: (Cutting in) That's the other thing...my son wants to box, but he refuses to have anyone train him but his father. This is insane. Come on Oscar, you're retired. Your son wants to train. He wants to be like you. He wants to...but no one is as good as his dad. He will not take lessons and he will not train with anyone except Oscar.
BT: So you had the paternity test, they set up a trust fund and they were making payments, correct?
AM: Yeah, he's never missed a payment for child support. I mean, there were some times in the beginning when there were a couple of months that I didn't get a check. That's when I filed it in the court, it became a court order, then came the judgement. The terms of the agreement, those are to remain confidential, but this is my life and no one can tell me that I can't talk about my life. You know, the thing is that I think the story is too big, too complicated, becomes so far out there that it's hard for people to really digest and I can completely understand, but living it and dealing with it, it's like a long chess game that never ends and it's ridiculous.
BT: Well everything in and around boxing is a chess match.
AM: Yeah, but the latest with Gatti and with Vernon...Vernon, you know, he went to the Olympics with my son's father and that really hit me; it hit me hard and it scared me because I'm running out of time I feel like. I'm like, "Oh my God, my son's 10. Why can't I get this done? What is the problem?" I mean, God forbid anything ever happen to Oscar without my son getting to know his father. You know?
BT: So he just wants nothing to do with Devon? Is that it?
AM: Like I said, I have went to Richard and I said, "I want to hear that from Oscar." I want Oscar to say, "Angelicque, you know I know that we have this child, but you know what, it's just...I would rather just...I just don't need the responsibility. I don't have the time. I'm sorry." I would respect that. Richard Schaefer told me, "You will never hear that from Oscar. You will never talk to Oscar." If I could just have someone say, "I talked to Oscar. He knows that Devon doesn't have a dad. He knows he wants to see him, but he just doesn't want to have anything to do with Devon." There are men out there that make that choice all the time. It's a sad choice, but still, they have that right. You can't force a person to visit their child. I just don't think that's the case. I don't think that Oscar's been given the facts to the situation to be able to make that kind of decision. I believe that he thinks that Devon most certainly does have a father figure and has had a father, like I said, and that for him to come in at this time would be detrimental to Devon's emotional well-being, which that could very well be true. That happens too. But this is not the case. Devon doesn't have a damn dad. Hello! You know? It's not true. If I knew that Oscar was made fully aware of the facts as in the letter that I sent to you; if I knew he read that letter and he still does not make contact with his son, I would respect that decision completely and I would just have to raise my son the best way I possibly can and have to tell him the truth, which will break is heart, but I just need to know if that's the case so I can tell him.
BT: So at least you would know and you would get some kind of answer.
AM: I've been put off and put off and put off and now they're saying that I'm interfering with contract negotiations with this person and that person...
BT: (Cutting in) Contract negotiatios? Huh? What's that all about?
AM: Well, you know, when I was at the Hopkins fight on September 18, 2004, I ran into Shane Mosley. He was there and he looked at Devon and was like, "Hey little man." Because he knows that's Oscar's child.
BT: Shane knows him too?
AM: Believe me, everybody knows.
BT: Did Jin know him too? Shane's ex-wife?
AM: Um, the new wife [Jin] was actually the one who...she was the glue to getting that deal together. I don't believe that Shane actually in his heart felt that he wanted to sign with Golden Boy. But he had a beautiful wife and she was the key to unlocking that and making sure that...because I had said something and then I got a letter that said I was going to get sued for interfering with the contractual relations between blah, blah, blah.
BT: Oh, you said something to Shane about that [signing with Golden Boy]?
AM: Yeah, I did.
BT: (Laughing) That's funny.
AM: You know, and Shane questioned them about it and they freaked out and got mad at me instead of just...of course nobody can go to Oscar and, I mean, if you go to Oscar with this, you're gonna...even his brother, who has taken Devon to Disneyland, is like, "You know what? I can't say anything to Oscar because Richard will be like, 'That's it! You're out!'" That is what I don't understand. What is the threat? What is the big threat? He's 10, you know? He's 10 years old. What is he gonna do? My gosh!
BT: Have you ever tried to maybe go to one of his fights with Devon and...
AM: (Cutting in) I was 10 feet from the dressing room. What happened was me and my son, I paid $1700 a ticket. It was in the 11th row. It was at the Hopkins fight. I saw him go down and I'm like, "Oh hell no. That was not...uh uh!" The whole De La Hoya family was in tears over that one because the eye of the tiger was no more. Devon started crying. He thought Oscar was dead. There was a security guard to our left side. We did have all-access passes. I had no intention of going back there and dealing with...
BT: (Cutting in) Who gave you the all-access passes?
AM: Her name was Debbie. She was the VIP person at the casino and she knew Dev and she knew me...she knew the situation. She felt sorry for Devon. She didn't want there to be any hassle, but she trusted me; she knows I'm not a stalker. The thing that happened was Devon started crying thinking Oscar was dead. The security guard on my left-hand side, he said, "Is that De La Hoya's son?" He heard him crying for his daddy and looked at him. Well, yeah! "Oh, I'll take you back, I'll take you back." He walked us back and I'm like, "Oh, here we go." So, we're walking back and I'm taking deep breaths thinking, "Don't be Richard! Don't be Richard! Don't be Richard." Well I get back there and I'm standing just 10 feet from the dressing room door and there is Eric Gomez and Eric Gomez just starts going off, "Who let them the f back here?" He starts screaming at the security guard to walk me back and so the security guard is looking at me like, "Damn, bitch. Liar!" So I'm looking at him going...
BT: (Cutting in) Did Eric know who you were?
AM: Oh yeah, Eric knows me. And he knows Devon. And I got in his face and I said, "You don't talk to me like that and you don't talk to Oscar's son like that." So then I can feel my son tugging on me like, "Mommy, mommy, let's go, let's go." And this is the crazy part. I was ready to just turn around and walk away, and didn't make it...I didn't make it out the arena the same way I came in. I got taught a lesson to never, ever take Devon near Oscar's people again. And I never have. I won't go anywhere near those people again.
BT: Wow! I guess I'm just...I don't understand why they're trying to prevent...
AM: (Cuttin in) That's why I'm contacting you. I don't know. I don't understand it either. I don't know. And you know what, to the point where a mother would do anything for her son, I felt like any moment, I mean, I felt like fixed cement was somewhere and I was just going to disappear. I screamed. Thank God there was this guy who showed up. He reminded me of that guy from Driving Miss Daisy [Morgan Freeman]. He came walking up to us and said, "What's the problem over here?" And then when he said that, I was like, "Thank you God!" I just wanted to get out of there. I still have his card. Got a witness, called the police, had pictures taken. They said it was a family dispute. Nobody came; nobody cared. They never did anything. That's when I realized, you know what, I'm dealing with something so powerful here that I'm either just going to have to...why even try to do anything...if you're going to kill me, kill me! Get it over with, get it done, but at least I'll try. At least I tried because I really feel strongly about the right that these two individuals have as a father and a son. I don't care if he has 20 kids by 20 different women, he still has the right to know what's going on in each of their lives.
BT: I agree 100%, but I guess I'm just confused as to what exactly Richard's motive would be to keep Oscar from speaking to you or saying something to Devon because they're already paying you...
AM: (Cutting in) I don't know. The thing is, like I told you earlier, I'm the 7th generation granddaughter of Benjamin Franklin. My son is the 8th generation of Benjamin Franklin. In itself, you would think it would have been beneficial for Oscar to actually been able to monopolize off of that. I mean, they monopolize off of everything else. But to write a book called American Son and to mention Devon in this book, it was an open door opportunity that says to me, you know what, the door's open so I'm just going to walk through it in any way I can. I don't know what's going on with him, but I feel it's a dictatorship, I feel it's wrong and I feel that every child has a right to walk up to their father and to say hello, give them a hug; when I see pictures of Oscar with other children and he's passing out Christmas presents at Christmas time, it is just so unbearably hard to see that. I'm done seeing it. I'm done. It's either a yes or no.
BT: Again, I just don't understand what Richard's motivation would be. I mean, they're paying you anyway. It's not like they're trying to stop paying you.
AM: I wouldn't take the hush money. I was offered a payoff, but who am I to make that decision for my son. If he wants to see his dad, it's going to be tough to say, "Oh honey, we took the millions so you can't see him." Are you kidding me? That shouldn't even be legal. That happened, hush money, but I didn't do it.
BT: They actually offered you...somebody actually offered to pay...
AM: (Cutting in) Oh hell yeah! Hell yeah! Still, to this day, when I talk to Scott Weston [De La Hoya's lawyer], it's "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. You're not about the money." Well you know what? It would be nice, but it would be better for Devon to actually be with his dad wherever his dad is enjoying that lifestyle. It's not what I need. They don't get it. They can't understand what the hell is up with me. I'm just telling you, I'm from a small town in Liberty, Indiana and I just have strong beliefs and this is what I believe. There is no amount of money I will take to replace his father.
BT: Do you still have contact with anybody from the De La Hoya family?
AM: You know what? That is the really sad part. The last time Devon was over there, I had talked to his uncle Vincent, Oscar's uncle, and I said, "Devon wants to train. He wants to start boxing." He says, "Angelica, I can't." He calls me Angelica. He goes, "I can't, Angelica. I can't." I said, "Why? Why can't you?" He can't be seen with Devon. If it gets back, his wife will lose her job. She takes care of all the houses, all the maintenance, she's the head of all the pool guys in all of Oscar's homes and stuff and they also threatened to take away their daughter's college education if they continue to have a relationship with Devon. For a while, we did sneak Devon over there, but it's ridiculous. It's freakin ridiculous. Can you imagine that they're at risk of losing their daughter's college fund that Richard provides for them if they see this child? I swear to God. This is completely honest. I have no reason to lie. I have not had any communication with them so Richard, do not fire her, they won't talk to me, they are following the rules.
BT: When was the last time you had any contact at all with anyone remotely close to Oscar?
AM: Um, I think it was the last time I went over there and told them I got the hell beat out of me behind the MGM. They were like, "Okay, we'll see you later."
BT: At the Hopkins fight?
AM: Yeah. It's been a long time. There were times when he stayed there for weeks at a time. I really felt that was necessary, not because I was out partying, but because there needed to be a bond between Devon and that family. They called him little Oscar and he would run around and he would look at the pictures in the house of Oscar when Oscar was a child and he would think that was his house; he was like, "I don't remember being there." It was really cute because he looked so much like Oscar. I think that they got some happiness out of it because they feel like they lost the Oscar that they once knew and loved so much and Devon filled that void for them. It was nice. It was really cute to see and that was taken away.
BT: Has Oscar ever set eyes on Devon at all?
AM: Yes. I have a friend who's a limo driver. Back in 2002. I belive it was 2002. It was whenever they had the last Latino Music Awards. Remember, the next day, Shanna was on TV crying because he showed up to that with Millie. I got a call from my friend. There was a shortage of limousines so the overflow of drivers went to Riverside so my friend Ray Ray, he drew Oscar's name out of a hat and he called me. He said, "Oscar's at the Peninsula Hotel and I'm going to pick him up. You should bring Devon there." I was like, "You think?" He goes, "Well, you know what? What else are you going to do?" So I took Devon, checked in and got a room and I'm just kind of like hanging out in the lobby and Oscar walks out of the elevator. He sees me and he sees Devon and his eyes light up. He looked at Devon and he talked to Devon with a little high-pitched voice, "Hi!" And he looked at me and he didn't say it, but he mouthed with his lips, "Thank you." As soon as he said the thank you, he was bombarded, thrown into a limousine and here comes Millie and I'm like, "Who the hell is she? That's not Shanna." So then she gets in the limousine and the next thing I know, I'm told that I have to leave the hotel, that I'm a stalker and I'm getting into an argument with Richard saying, "How can a son stalk his father?" I'm not a stalker. I feel that's very much an insult that I would have to take Devon to a damn book signing place or...I didn't even want to take my son to a fight period because, to me, I don't think that's a place for a child to be, especially when it's their father in there getting the hell knocked out of him. I think it's an adult thing, but it's the only way I knew to even attempt to try to get...I don't...you know what? It boggles my mind. I don't know. That's why I'm just hoping to reach out to someone who may be able to go up to him and say, "Dude, you know what? Your son Devon wants to see you really bad and he's not being allowed to." Just anybody! That would be good, right?
BT: Right. Right. It's just odd...I don't even understand why Richard would want to keep him away. I mean, I could understand if you came out of nowhere and tried to claim that this is Oscar's son and you don't have any proof, but this has been known from the get-go. They've been making payments to you.
AM: Did you see onlnie where it talks about I was missing?
BT: Yeah, I saw that. I saw that.
AM: Well, it's because I was in court for three years going to a custody battle with my ex-husband that I was already divorced from and this court system and this judge, they were being paid to give my son away to a man who was not even the father. So not only...let me just tell you...when that happened, basically, I vanished. I went on vacation with my son. I didn't tell anybody. I left my car in the parking lot and I just took off with my son. It was perfectly legal. I'm allowed to take a vacation. I'm a grown woman and I don't have to tell anybody shit. I don't have to answer to anyone, especially Oscar because he wouldn't care anyway. Then I was reported missing and Oscar went on TV and acknowledged Devon as his son, made a public announcement, and the whole court case with my husband was just dropped.
BT: Who reported you missing?
AM: A friend. Then at the mall, where my car was parked, they had a pool going. Which one killed her, Oscar or her ex-husband? I mean, that was thing, no one knew about any of this and no one was going to tell any of this. I was losing the battle. I mean, I was taking pyschological evaluations, I was...I spent $200,000 on stupid stuff just trying to prevent Richard from giving my ex-husband my son. It's Oscar's son. In my mind, they must have already told Oscar that my ex-husband was playing the part of the father and that Devon saw my ex-husband as the father and if Oscar got involved now, it would be confusing, which is absolutely not true. I mean, we planned things. Oscar and I, you know, we talked. He was very...you know what, he's too much of a nice guy. He's too good to even be true. Like I said, it wouldn't matter if there were 20 women, I'd still feel the same way about him just because to me, I felt like he was a little boy who still cried over his mother and didn't have closure there. He never got to go to a high school dance and...there's other things that he told me that I will go to my grave with unless he pisses me off enough (laughing), but I really feel that he's genuinely a very good-hearted guy and would never just not see his kid like this.
BT: So you think he's being brainwashed by Richard or something?
AM: Yeah, I think he's been filled full of lies. It's easy to do. It's not hard to think that someone's baby's mom is psycho. I mean, come on.
BT: Right, right. Especially when they start putting YouTube videos up (laughing).
AM: (Laughing) Hey, hey, I love YouTube. I love it. I've given them every warning. I told them so many times, "I'm going to do it." The thing is Devon was in therapy forever after he saw that scene behind MGM. He didn't speak for four days. It changed him. My little boy was no longer the same kid and that was so terrible. The therapy I paid for, which Oscar is responsible for, all of Devon's medical costs, which includes that, they will not allow Oscar to know that he had $8000 in therapy bills that he owes. Why would he be in therapy so much? What happend? Maybe that would be a question he would ask...I don't know. But they're not going to give me that money back; it's gone so I kissed it goodbye, but that was where my start was with the YouTube videos.
BT: That was on top of the money they were already paying you, right?
AM: Right. Well, the money they pay me is child support, but he's also responsible for any unpaid medical expenses. So this last thing, we got forced out of our apartment because there was poison oak everywhere and Devon was in the hospital. Listen, if my son needed bone marrow from his father, they would let my son die before they would get Oscar to help save him. This is how bad it is. This is how crazy it is. It's serious. I try to joke about it as much as possible because I don't want to...I just can't go there. I gotta be a mom; I gotta be funny. But my fear is Oscar's safety. My fear is that there is so much Richard has made off Oscar. If something happened to Oscar, that money would not go to these children, would not go to his wife, it would go to Richard because it's in a Swiss private bank account and those laws protect that money. You don't get it. No one would get it.
BT: Wow. That's...wow.
AM: And that's the way it is. That's the truth and maybe that's a part of it too. I've always known that.
BT: Wow. That's crazy. That's a wild story.
AM: You know what? The thing is I had an offer to do a book deal and I could've gotten paid for that. This is not something that has to do with money. I really strongly feel that you can't put a price tag on this. I'm not going to be paid for something that's a human right. This child has a right to his father and this man has a right to know what's going on in his son's life. There's no price you can put on that. I don't want anyone to pay me for what is just the truth and I just want Oscar to know it. At least I tried and that's all I can do.
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